creo que es la mjor cancion que h escuchado en mi vida me ecantan etos dos se?ores que mejor dicho son dioses de la guitarra y nos llenan de pasion cada ves que los escuchamos un lastima que ya no tenemos a un par como a vaughan ..hendrix ...y mucho mas ...agradesco a la vida agradesco a lo musicos por hacer lo que mas nos gusta ...LA MUSICA BLUES ....LEANDRO PEREZ DE MENDOZA UN 07/01/09 A LAS 11:32HS ARGENTINA UN ABRAZO A TODOS LOS LECTORES JAJAJAJA ROCK AND ROLL
Geepsterr...Agree fully on all points!
Nor did I vote for Obama but it had absolutely not a thing to do with his color and am behind him 100%. In fact I did a write in vote for another black man, Elijah Cummings from Maryland. Only guy who was calling for heads to roll in the wake of the economic melt down. Shame to admit this but first time I have voted in my life and I am past the half century mark.
JH was ALL about the music for sure....RIP my brother.
JH stuffed racism and remained about music for everyone who dug him He made inroads by building bridges not burning them and ignoring the Panthers "invitations". Racism in music: The biggest bravest leaps were made by Benny Goodman, a Jew. I did not want Obama but wish him well and hope he really meant the things he said in his acceptance speech. My optimistic side thinks he really did. Get behind him at least till we see what he can do.
So correct especially about Kenny Burrell and Grant Green which SRV had a thumbnail of (admirable in itself) but Gargler has no idea who they are nor will he bother to listen: He has the "improved" version to listen too. Oh the strings: that's .0115" high E(flat) not .015. Early on SRV's strings were .013" high E(flat) but not a commensurately heavy set and slack by a half step. Later in his career he was using .0115's: less tension than .011" at concert pitch. Gargler must really hate me now.
Gargler, Sorry I took so long but I've been busy playing and singing my balls off... NO you can't have them. I've seriously considered your opinion, that I could be mistaken. So I asked some great players, singers, and song writers who's the KING of TEXAS BLUES. Quick responses of Johnny Winter and a few said Billy Gibbons. ZZ sold more blues based records than anyone so if Elvis is the King by hit records, and he is... I Swear: Truth and some I polled are from TEXAS. "Innovative"? Not at all
taildragger51:
Stevie Ray Vaughan will forever be remembered as one of the most innovative blues players to grace both the electric and acoustic guitar, not like a Jimi-style player, cause Stevie was pure blues (with a bit of rock and jazz flavour in it), but mostly blues, and he had his own inovative, unique and one of a kind style where Jimi was rock and roll, psychedelic as you said. Also he was inovative and a lot creative. Probably the biggest of all time.
tailkdragger, we're really on the same wave length. I have seen DT 5 times and he is no doubt one of the best young performers around but had J Winter not mentioned him I wouldn't have known about Derek.DT gets zero air time.
Back in the days of JH they filled stadiums to watch him but nowadays its only maybe 2000.Music just doesn't have the impact that it used to and is now all about the $.
fuxgood:
I agree with you wholeheartedly about music
enforcing a statement back in Jimi's day.
It had a huge impact on the minds of the kids back in the 60s.
Since the 80s music has become increasingly commercially orientated to the point where , today, it's all about "attitude" and "posing".
There are some great musicians about (like Derek Trucks) but they don't get much airplay.
A president or any politician cannot and will not rid the USA of racism. Only the people can and I think the people have spoken in the last election. hardbluesguy makes some good points. JH made a huge impact on the music world that still stands to this day and back in the day brought a lot of folks together through his music.Music shaped the world in those days unlike today when its just something to listen to without really making a statement/having any real impact.
theriffer;
Yes, i agree with you for the most part.
SRV's base was always Texas Blues..he had that Doyle Bramhall feel.
But what really made him sound unique IMHO and much louder than anyone else was his combination of 0.15 (and heavier jazz strings) gauge strings and bass frets.
He was doing this at a time in the '80s when most metal shredders were using 0.08's and low action.
No one else could play SRV's guitar.
While SRV utilized Jimi's style, you know right away it's him playing and not Jimi. For me, that's what sets him far apart from the other 'Jimi' style players. That was his special magic. Just like J.W. taking some common licks and being able to put his own unique signature stamp on them. I think that's what makes a master, a "master". The ability to draw from others, yet make your own style stand out. SRV was truly unique in that regard. He blended Jimi and Albert King and created magic!
Yep, it is. Pat's another great player. For me tho, J.W's timing is what makes him so very great. His quickness from rythmn to lead and back again was astounding. He's just got to be to the 12 bar master!
The best Winter copy I've seen to date is here on youtube with the Johnny Winter Experience. It took me a bit to catch on they were a tribute band. Not only the playing, but the singing as well. You close your eyes and swear it was J.W. himself playing! Never seen anyone else do it like them.
grga888;
SRV will always be remembered as a Jimi-style player.
I think, however,that SRV covered all points from Kenny Burrell to Grant Green to Albert Collins as well as Jimi.
He was equally comfortable playing all styles.
One thing i really admire SRV for is that he came about when Blues guitar was unpopular (i.e.early 80s)
Guys like Clapton were playing pop.
(Johnny Winter wasn't though)
SRV almost singlehandedly revived interest in Blues guitar.
fuxgood:
Yikes, i wouldn't want to enter into a discussion about Obama...let's see what occurs...early days yet.
If his reasoning is anything like Condo Rice
or Colin Powell then it's going to take more than a half caste Pres to rid the USA of racism.
I agree with you though,i'm part black myself and the issue really isn't one pertaining to colour...and it never should arise in music. BUT it always will.
grga888;
To me SRV had a powerful sound similar to a combination of Buddy Guy & Albert King.
Stevie got a 'Gibson' sound from a Strat by using VERY heavy strings, baseball bat guitar necks, hi-action and bass frets.
Jimi's sound was lighter in comparison.(he used mostly 0.10 gauge Rotosound strings )
IMHO Jeff Beck, today, sounds the way Jimi may've sounded had he lived (perhaps to some extent).
SRV had a Texas Blues sound..Jimi was psychedelic rock/blues.
I mentioned Frank Marino and Robin Trower as guys who took the last Jimi stuff as a jumping off point. I know of no one else whom has expounded on the style or even continued without cloning. Can anyone point to some one whom has done the same as well?.. There are good "clones" John Mayer, Randy Hansen, Steve Vaughn, Eric Gales(half Clone). Is there some one I heard a recording of Machine Gun by a new Band of Gypsies that improvised and expanded the piece incredibly, German band I think. Anyone?
Vaughan was the only one leading to where Jimi might have been going and certainly by far the closest guitar player ever to reach his level. Nobody else even comes close.
taildragger I know that race isn't near as much of an issue as it was back in the 60's. Just look who the president elect of the USA is.Sure, some are but the majority are not racist like it was in the 60's.The fact is some will never like JH just due to his style.I don't like GD or PF just due to their style.
I would give my right arm to see Wolf perform live.You're a very lucky person to have seen him.
theriffer, Well special place in my heart for J.W. too and certainly in the blues-rock idiom no-one could play him under. I know a guy who could roughly do J.W. even back in the day. Hey how about that Snortin Whiskey tune by Pat Travers: Pretty Winter-esque, no?
I guess I was trying to say that wherever the 2 players sounded similiar was in the blues scale. But really, Johnny was a way better player than Jimi, tho yes Jimi did step outside the box more so than J.W. I said 40 years ago that no one could outplay J.W. and that is still true today. Dont get me wrong tho, I love all great players and esp. Hendrix. It's just that J.W. has always had a special in my heart. :)Look at all the Hendirx copycats. How many can do J.W.? Not many that I've heard.
Johnny must have felt a close analog to racism in both "camps". Perhaps carney and circus people wouldn't look at him funny. Well I hope there isn't a vapor of racism to this: As fuxgood mentions Robin Trower great. He and Frank Marino are really the closest thing to Jimi without being a clones and not being a clone is integral to being like Jimi. Frank Marino last I heard him was taking it to where Jimi certainly might have. This is channeling. Vaughn didn't! Maybe he was going too.??
theriffer, Your missing what we meant by common denominatorif I may speak for originalname33. a severe simplification : Your using a narrow lens with poor depth of field. Blues scale is not what I nor originalname33 speak of, perhaps a small part of it. Hendrix played outside the blues scale quite a bit and Johnny stays in it to a far greater degree. It's what they do while in Mixolydian and how they step out of it into the blueer tones and the way bends are executed.
fuxgood:
It's the main reason why some still hate Jimi today and make bigotted comments about him.
Even though Jimi was part Irish (as noted in the sleevenotes of "Hendrix;Blues" CD)
I saw Wolf in Europe twice in the '60s ( Germany) and once at '100 Club' in London.(around the time of the Howling Wolf London Sessions)
taildraggerI lived it so I know first hand. Don't need a book to tell me that! For quite a while I was the only white guy in my area listening to JH until after he gained fame in the UK then everybody liked him. And it was all due to racism IMHO. JH was the first black guy I ever saw in public with a white girl.
Never did I see Wolf live but what a powerful performer, putting his all into his performances. May I ask where you saw him?
fuxgood: Thank you.
Most would disagree with me but as you know, most of this has been documented well in books.
Not only Jimi found favour in Europe...Champion Jack Dupree,jazz artists Dexter Gordon & Charlie Parker were recieved without bigotry there.
I saw the Wolf a few times live although Link Wray's version of "Taildragger" was also great.
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creo que es la mjor cancion que h escuchado en mi vida me ecantan etos dos se?ores que mejor dicho son dioses de la guitarra y nos llenan de pasion cada ves que los escuchamos un lastima que ya no tenemos a un par como a vaughan ..hendrix ...y mucho mas ...agradesco a la vida agradesco a lo musicos por hacer lo que mas nos gusta ...LA MUSICA BLUES ....LEANDRO PEREZ DE MENDOZA UN 07/01/09 A LAS 11:32HS ARGENTINA UN ABRAZO A TODOS LOS LECTORES JAJAJAJA ROCK AND ROLL
Geepsterr...Agree fully on all points! Nor did I vote for Obama but it had absolutely not a thing to do with his color and am behind him 100%. In fact I did a write in vote for another black man, Elijah Cummings from Maryland. Only guy who was calling for heads to roll in the wake of the economic melt down. Shame to admit this but first time I have voted in my life and I am past the half century mark. JH was ALL about the music for sure....RIP my brother.
JH stuffed racism and remained about music for everyone who dug him He made inroads by building bridges not burning them and ignoring the Panthers "invitations". Racism in music: The biggest bravest leaps were made by Benny Goodman, a Jew. I did not want Obama but wish him well and hope he really meant the things he said in his acceptance speech. My optimistic side thinks he really did. Get behind him at least till we see what he can do.
So correct especially about Kenny Burrell and Grant Green which SRV had a thumbnail of (admirable in itself) but Gargler has no idea who they are nor will he bother to listen: He has the "improved" version to listen too. Oh the strings: that's .0115" high E(flat) not .015. Early on SRV's strings were .013" high E(flat) but not a commensurately heavy set and slack by a half step. Later in his career he was using .0115's: less tension than .011" at concert pitch. Gargler must really hate me now.
Gargler, Sorry I took so long but I've been busy playing and singing my balls off... NO you can't have them. I've seriously considered your opinion, that I could be mistaken. So I asked some great players, singers, and song writers who's the KING of TEXAS BLUES. Quick responses of Johnny Winter and a few said Billy Gibbons. ZZ sold more blues based records than anyone so if Elvis is the King by hit records, and he is... I Swear: Truth and some I polled are from TEXAS. "Innovative"? Not at all
taildragger51: Stevie Ray Vaughan will forever be remembered as one of the most innovative blues players to grace both the electric and acoustic guitar, not like a Jimi-style player, cause Stevie was pure blues (with a bit of rock and jazz flavour in it), but mostly blues, and he had his own inovative, unique and one of a kind style where Jimi was rock and roll, psychedelic as you said. Also he was inovative and a lot creative. Probably the biggest of all time.
tailkdragger, we're really on the same wave length. I have seen DT 5 times and he is no doubt one of the best young performers around but had J Winter not mentioned him I wouldn't have known about Derek.DT gets zero air time. Back in the days of JH they filled stadiums to watch him but nowadays its only maybe 2000.Music just doesn't have the impact that it used to and is now all about the $.
fuxgood: I agree with you wholeheartedly about music enforcing a statement back in Jimi's day. It had a huge impact on the minds of the kids back in the 60s. Since the 80s music has become increasingly commercially orientated to the point where , today, it's all about "attitude" and "posing". There are some great musicians about (like Derek Trucks) but they don't get much airplay.
A president or any politician cannot and will not rid the USA of racism. Only the people can and I think the people have spoken in the last election. hardbluesguy makes some good points. JH made a huge impact on the music world that still stands to this day and back in the day brought a lot of folks together through his music.Music shaped the world in those days unlike today when its just something to listen to without really making a statement/having any real impact.
theriffer; Yes, i agree with you for the most part. SRV's base was always Texas Blues..he had that Doyle Bramhall feel. But what really made him sound unique IMHO and much louder than anyone else was his combination of 0.15 (and heavier jazz strings) gauge strings and bass frets. He was doing this at a time in the '80s when most metal shredders were using 0.08's and low action. No one else could play SRV's guitar.
While SRV utilized Jimi's style, you know right away it's him playing and not Jimi. For me, that's what sets him far apart from the other 'Jimi' style players. That was his special magic. Just like J.W. taking some common licks and being able to put his own unique signature stamp on them. I think that's what makes a master, a "master". The ability to draw from others, yet make your own style stand out. SRV was truly unique in that regard. He blended Jimi and Albert King and created magic!
Yep, it is. Pat's another great player. For me tho, J.W's timing is what makes him so very great. His quickness from rythmn to lead and back again was astounding. He's just got to be to the 12 bar master! The best Winter copy I've seen to date is here on youtube with the Johnny Winter Experience. It took me a bit to catch on they were a tribute band. Not only the playing, but the singing as well. You close your eyes and swear it was J.W. himself playing! Never seen anyone else do it like them.
grga888; SRV will always be remembered as a Jimi-style player. I think, however,that SRV covered all points from Kenny Burrell to Grant Green to Albert Collins as well as Jimi. He was equally comfortable playing all styles. One thing i really admire SRV for is that he came about when Blues guitar was unpopular (i.e.early 80s) Guys like Clapton were playing pop. (Johnny Winter wasn't though) SRV almost singlehandedly revived interest in Blues guitar.
fuxgood: Yikes, i wouldn't want to enter into a discussion about Obama...let's see what occurs...early days yet. If his reasoning is anything like Condo Rice or Colin Powell then it's going to take more than a half caste Pres to rid the USA of racism. I agree with you though,i'm part black myself and the issue really isn't one pertaining to colour...and it never should arise in music. BUT it always will.
grga888; To me SRV had a powerful sound similar to a combination of Buddy Guy & Albert King. Stevie got a 'Gibson' sound from a Strat by using VERY heavy strings, baseball bat guitar necks, hi-action and bass frets. Jimi's sound was lighter in comparison.(he used mostly 0.10 gauge Rotosound strings ) IMHO Jeff Beck, today, sounds the way Jimi may've sounded had he lived (perhaps to some extent). SRV had a Texas Blues sound..Jimi was psychedelic rock/blues.
I mentioned Frank Marino and Robin Trower as guys who took the last Jimi stuff as a jumping off point. I know of no one else whom has expounded on the style or even continued without cloning. Can anyone point to some one whom has done the same as well?.. There are good "clones" John Mayer, Randy Hansen, Steve Vaughn, Eric Gales(half Clone). Is there some one I heard a recording of Machine Gun by a new Band of Gypsies that improvised and expanded the piece incredibly, German band I think. Anyone?
Vaughan was the only one leading to where Jimi might have been going and certainly by far the closest guitar player ever to reach his level. Nobody else even comes close.
taildragger I know that race isn't near as much of an issue as it was back in the 60's. Just look who the president elect of the USA is.Sure, some are but the majority are not racist like it was in the 60's.The fact is some will never like JH just due to his style.I don't like GD or PF just due to their style. I would give my right arm to see Wolf perform live.You're a very lucky person to have seen him.
theriffer, Well special place in my heart for J.W. too and certainly in the blues-rock idiom no-one could play him under. I know a guy who could roughly do J.W. even back in the day. Hey how about that Snortin Whiskey tune by Pat Travers: Pretty Winter-esque, no?
I guess I was trying to say that wherever the 2 players sounded similiar was in the blues scale. But really, Johnny was a way better player than Jimi, tho yes Jimi did step outside the box more so than J.W. I said 40 years ago that no one could outplay J.W. and that is still true today. Dont get me wrong tho, I love all great players and esp. Hendrix. It's just that J.W. has always had a special in my heart. :)Look at all the Hendirx copycats. How many can do J.W.? Not many that I've heard.
Johnny must have felt a close analog to racism in both "camps". Perhaps carney and circus people wouldn't look at him funny. Well I hope there isn't a vapor of racism to this: As fuxgood mentions Robin Trower great. He and Frank Marino are really the closest thing to Jimi without being a clones and not being a clone is integral to being like Jimi. Frank Marino last I heard him was taking it to where Jimi certainly might have. This is channeling. Vaughn didn't! Maybe he was going too.??
theriffer, Your missing what we meant by common denominatorif I may speak for originalname33. a severe simplification : Your using a narrow lens with poor depth of field. Blues scale is not what I nor originalname33 speak of, perhaps a small part of it. Hendrix played outside the blues scale quite a bit and Johnny stays in it to a far greater degree. It's what they do while in Mixolydian and how they step out of it into the blueer tones and the way bends are executed.
fuxgood: It's the main reason why some still hate Jimi today and make bigotted comments about him. Even though Jimi was part Irish (as noted in the sleevenotes of "Hendrix;Blues" CD) I saw Wolf in Europe twice in the '60s ( Germany) and once at '100 Club' in London.(around the time of the Howling Wolf London Sessions)
taildraggerI lived it so I know first hand. Don't need a book to tell me that! For quite a while I was the only white guy in my area listening to JH until after he gained fame in the UK then everybody liked him. And it was all due to racism IMHO. JH was the first black guy I ever saw in public with a white girl. Never did I see Wolf live but what a powerful performer, putting his all into his performances. May I ask where you saw him?
fuxgood: Thank you. Most would disagree with me but as you know, most of this has been documented well in books. Not only Jimi found favour in Europe...Champion Jack Dupree,jazz artists Dexter Gordon & Charlie Parker were recieved without bigotry there. I saw the Wolf a few times live although Link Wray's version of "Taildragger" was also great.